The following post is part of a thread chronicling the development of a married beta-sub named Pete who was raised hierarchically by his Alpha father and grandfather, and is submissive to this three sons. CLICK HERE to read all of these posts in chronological order!

The previous installment of Pete’s story about his family of Alpha elders and sons training him to submit properly caused a bit of a kerfuffle on X and the Hierarchy University Discord. It’s certainly controversial (I’ve never disputed that), but its subject matter really rattled some people.

I stood firm for its publication despite all of the noise. Here’s why: I’ve always intended this site to be a serious exploration of hierarchical truth, and not just a place with hot stories and porn. That’s what has ALWAYS set this site apart from virtually everything else out there. I fearlessly and relentlessly hierarchical truth first, and the thought of what is morally or socially acceptable never crosses my mind. I’m searching for the deeper forces that drive and shape us, even in the ugliest circumstances. From time to time I’ve expressed my personal revulsion over some of the stories I’ve covered … but I didn’t shy away from it.

Pete’s story is a vital, living document of how deeply hierarchy penetrates the family structure; how it can be a force of division within families that have no understanding, while also becoming a powerful binding agent in families that have this intrinsic truth embedded in them. Thankfully Pete’s family deeply respects hierarchy, so Pete’s understanding and acceptance of his faghood is being guided by family Alphas who accept him for what he is. How can I oppose that??

Like I said, the previous post went into great detail about multiple encounters he had that continue to reinforce his proper place. The following post is something of a response/update to that one.

A few thoughts and comments and follow-ups.

Coach always asks permission from my youngest son as from on Alpha peer to another. Coach is the coach with the team, and he is also on the family’s team helping to raise Danny, and his brothers, into men.

Coach speaks to Dan as man to man, Alpha to Alpha. Normal casual man to man chatting and casually asking if he, Coach, can borrow or use me. Danny doesn’t always say yes. Sometimes it is, “not right now.” And the subject is dropped. Sometimes Coach offers some faggot training and Danny agrees. 

With the boys, my brother and Dad and other men it is an Alpha thing with me. Not a Top or Dominant or Master relationship, but a focus on being Men, Alpha Men and the pecking order. Never bullying or aggressive, but the practice of hierarchy. 

Apart from sex, I am pretty much treated the same as always by family and family friends, but always with kind condescension. Hands on my shoulder, on my head, lower back and butt. 

I went with my oldest to get new tires. He led into the garage and up to counter and how he held himself made me proud. He took control and I took my place at his side and slightly behind. He spoke and negotiated with the guy behind the counter. I was told to pay, and I did. Dave, my oldest son, told me take a seat in the waiting room while he drove his car around to the garage.  While waiting, we chatted as always. When it was done the guy who did the mounting, not the guy who waited on us, came and spoke to my son and ignored me. Clearly they knew who was the Alpha man.

I found out my dermatologist is an Alpha Man and lives that reality.
He asked me a couple of days ago about my being smooth from the neck down.
“Your idea?” he asked.
“No.”
“Okay. Wife’s?”
“No. My dad’s.”
“Dad? Or Daddy?” 
“Both. The same.”
“Nice. He’s a good man. You look good like this. Are you moisturizing?”
“Sometimes,” I said. 
“You need to everyday. I’ve a sample for you,” and we went and came back with a bag of moisturizer creams.
“You need to rub it in everywhere.”
“Okay. Will do,” I said.
“Do it now.” And squirted lotion into my hand. So I applied it everywhere and he rubbed into my back. It was non-sexual, medical, professional while at the same time emphasizing our places, he the Alpha and me not. He swatted my ass, said I was a good boy and to listen to my dad, told me to get dressed and to come back in a year.

I get told pretty often how great it is that my sons are growing into men.
I’ve been asked  by guys how to let their sons grow into leadership and confident men. I always tell them to let them. To encourage them. To take a step back. With some dads I’ve told them to do it side by side, bringing their sons along side as men. With a few other dads I’ve suggest that they step back and cede some control to their boys and letting them take over here and there, learning to take responsibilities.  I’ve seen a few situations where the sons start to treat their dads as my sons treat me. They’re the Alphas and their dads aren’t any more. Always seems like natural sorting.

My dad’s cunting of me in front of/with my sons was less sexual than making the point that my sons were Alpha, strong males and would be strong men.  And the second point was to fuck the man out of me and push me into who he believed i could and should be. His training has been really into man formation. Confidence, assurance, leadership, responsibility and kindness. He is the same with me in settling me into another space. Proud of myself, my body (muscular, lean, smooth) and an appreciation of my little (pink and cute) dick and the pleasure that men, Alpha Men (straight and gay) will enjoy. Men, Alpha Men, straight and gay, have cocks that I should be naturally attracted to (and I’ve found that I am) and should desire to please. Less love making as with a woman, and more into serving and offering pleasure to Men.  I’ve always gotten favorable comments, some also mocking, my little clitty of a dick and never minded but now I am really appreciative of it being noticed and liked.

Danny, the youngest is very busy these days. Still he is very ass focused. He also takes being the man seriously with my Dad’s, brother’s, uncles’ and my grandfather’s guidance, along with the coach’s. My grandfather agrees with you about cunting.  My dad, grandpa, brother and Danny were sitting by the pool and grandpa said to my son that it was important to fuck bitches hard if you want to own them.  He told me to come over to him. He pulled my cheeks apart so they could see my hole, “this is what they are for. You need to fuck bitches hard. Maybe gentle at first, but if you want to own them you need to pound them hard. Real hard.”
“That’s what I say, Dad,” my dad said to his. “Fuck the man out of them.”
“Damn straight.” Grandpa said that he’d love to fuck such a nice cunt if he could still get it up. We all laughed.

I still wash the older boys’ car and my Dad’s. 

The coach borrowed me to mow his lawn. When I went into use the bathroom, I was told to squat and pee and shit in the yard. He had me pick it up and toss into the clipping pile then he hosed off my ass, having me rub it clean and finger out any remains from my hole. I’ve cleaned out his garage, naked, the door open. No one could see anything unless they came up the driveway, which only happened once. He does like me to drink from the tap and have me replace toilet paper and to wash him. He has shared with me with another Dad whose kids have are teammates with my sons.

I still fuck around with gym buddies. I’m the only one that never tops. All the guys bottom. We spent a few days at the lake house 24/7 naked, hiking, swimming, laying in the sun, playing cards. I shaved one of the other guys smooth. 

On the road trip with my brother I did get finger fucked standing at a rest area urinal. I was just wearing flip flops and shorts that I’d dropped to my ankles when a guy came in, stood next to me and wet his finger with his pee slipped it into my hole then my my mouth for spit lube then back in. Ass to mouth, spit and shit lube he fingered me and I sucked my scat off his finger. While finger fucking me, he peed into my urinal, finished and left after washing his hands. I walked out to where my brother was lying on a picnic table tanning and told him what happened. “Good boy,” he said.

Well… That’s all I can think of.

Pete 

I think this is a less controversial installment, but no less revealing.

First of all, the high school coach Alpha deferring respectfully to Pete’s 13-year-old Alpha son Master Danny is incredibly significant. Maybe he’s just recognizing the ownership aspect, although Master Danny could indeed be that dominant already. But it goes to show how Alphas view each other within the Alpha fraternity. They’re like a cabal of vampires winking and smiling to each other in a roomful of human prey. Alphas are on that kind of elite level in all aspects, even the laws of nature unwritten between them. This is so important to remember when dealing with Alphas, especially multiple Alphas!

The anecdote about Men noticing how Pete’s Alpha sons are growing into powerful Men is significant because it shows that Alphas carefully observe the raising of young Alphas. It’s a subject of keen interest to them, even if they don’t know why. Alphas appreciate Alpha lineage and legacy about as much as anything else. They recognize that Alphahood is a privileged class, and they protect it fiercely. So even though they see Pete as a faggot, they recognize he is dutifully raising proper Alpha sons.

The moment at the pool with Grandpa and Dad inspecting Pete’s pussy and commenting on it in front of his son Master Danny is almost surreal, but accurate. The casual nature of the conversation is off-putting, especially given that they’re talking about a family member like he’s a prize-winning hog. But this is the way hierarchy grooms Men and Alphas.

Speaking of being treated like a prize-winning hog, Coach Alpha forcing Pete to piss and shit in the yard and then hosing him off afterward is about a literal as it gets. It’s also pretty bold to treat Master Danny’s faggot like that … makes me wonder if they had arranged it beforehand.

This is a very complex hierarchical situation. There are a lot of Alphas in the mix, and one very fortunate faggot still learning his place. I’m really proud of Pete for remaining submissive and yielding as new aspects are introduced to him! It’s not easy, but at least Pete is safe as he learns!

Thank you, Pete, for sharing!

The following post is part of a thread chronicling the development of a married beta-sub named Pete who was raised hierarchically by his Alpha father and grandfather, and is submissive to this three sons. CLICK HERE to read all of these posts in chronological order!

I’ve carried some crazy true stories on this site over the years, but the story of a beta-sub named Pete being groomed by his family of Alphas (including his Alpha sons!) into becoming a faggot is one of the most mind-boggling.

In previous posts, we learned about how Pete was raised by an Alpha father and grandfather to celebrate masculinity and hierarchy. Boys never wore clothes, because the male body was embraced as perfect and praiseworthy.

Pete has three teen sons who are largely being raised by his Dad and grandfather as Alphas, and these three sons accept that their father Pete is a faggot to be owned. By them.

In this latest update, we start to see the larger Alpha pack that Pete’s father and grandfather have built, and how his sons are becoming part of it.

READ ON:

It’s been awhile. Had a great August and September. Eventful.

Boys are good. Football season and the older boys have girlfriends.

All the boys had football through August, though they had a week off. The two older boys had the same week and spent in alone at the lake house with friends and girl friends came over for a couple of days.

The youngest had a different week off. My dad took him and some friends to the lake house. Like the older boys they had chores to do. Dad dropped in on them a couple of times. He was proud of how calm and in control Danny was. The leader, but not bossy or bullying. Gracious. They spent a lot of time naked, swimming, hiking, mowing. They jacked off together but nothing more.

My brother and I went for a long road trip. Great seeing the country. Fucking. Occasionally we’d meet up with guys my brother knows. Fun. 

My brother told me that my dad’s poker buddies didn’t meet a couple times a month to play cards but to fuck young women and young men that they had met online and set up play dates. I’ve known these guys all of my life. My brother said that he and a couple of the other guys’ sons had been invited to join in. My brother asked me if I ever wanted to join in. I did want to. This whole faggotry thing, helped and guided by your website has changed my sexual focus. My brother told me to ask Dad if I could join it. He was a little surprised, asked me if I was sure, and did I know that I’d be participating as a cunt. Yep.

So… I joined dad and the guys out for beers (dad had told me to clean out). Dad told them that he’d been training a faggot and he was now ready. He described how he trained a willing straight man into accepting his place under real men.  He went into a lot of details that didn’t happen with me. We went upstairs from the pub to the hotel room. Dad told the guys to make themselves comfortable and the stripped to their shorts. And dad told me to take off my clothes. All of them. He slipped a leather dog collar around my neck (my first time) and he began to flick my little dick and with lube finger my cunt going from my ass to my mouth and back. It was a fun evening. Afterwards the guys were all nice and complimentary to my dad with his training.

I’ve joined them two more times. Each time with one or two other guys, mostly their sons who are my age and have known forever.

In August, my youngest son’s football coach (he’d coached the other two boys when they were younger) asked me to come to the locker room after practice, he wanted to talk to me and Danny.  I always pick my son after practice, after the team meeting and after the boys shower, this time I went in. Good team huddle with the coaches going over the day’s practice and the next day’s. I stood around chatting with the coaches while the boys showered and left.

My son and I sat across the coach’s desk from him.  He told what a valuable player my son is and important to the team. His leadership was crucial. Rarely had a player so gifted and so gifted at leading and leading the boys towards being men. He praised me, my two older sons and my dad for how Danny was developing. He said that it would be great if avoided girls and all of their entanglement.  I agreed.

“Good. But he’s a boy and boys his age are horny,” Coach said. I smiled and looked at Danny who didn’t take his eyes off the coach. “Boys need outlets.” Long silence. “Danny and your dad say that you’ve been helping out.” Thanks, I said. 

“Stand up. Let me see?” See what? I was in Levis and a baggy T. He had me turn a couple of times. “Take off your shirt. Good, you’re in good shape. Take off the rest of your clothes.”
I did. I’ve been smooth for over a year, from the neck down.

“Nice. Is he a good fuck?” The coach asked Danny. Danny said I was. “Good.” 

The coach thoroughly inspected me while Danny he watched. Coach made comments, gave my son suggestions in training his faggot.

Coach asked Danny if he would share his faggot with him. Danny said, of course. He was clearly puffed by coach’s praise and attention.

Coach said that he would always ask permission first. I wasn’t consulted.

Coach told me to jack off onto his desk and then told me to eat it up. Then he had me do it again, and slurp it up again. Then again and a final time where I didn’t produce much.  “See how cute it’s little clit is now? Little and soft. Very nice. Cute,” and he fondled my dick and balls.

Since then the coach has fucked and played with me several times.

My dad joined in a couple of times. Apparently coach was one of his fuckboys that he shared with his friends when coach was in college and after. Now, when coach joins them he’s a dominant top.

Coach also is into getting rimmed, and a little into shit. Scat. I’m used to my own having had to clean off cocks that fucked me when I hadn’t had a chance to clean out first. It never bothered me. Coach would have me deep clean his crack and man-hole and sometimes there would some last remains and a couple of times he pushed out a last little nugget for me to eat. He likes making out with me with the taste of his hole on my lips and tongue.

Also, I been trying some everyday faggotry. 
I’ve complimented guy’s bulges and VPLs. They clearly are flaunting. I told a college age kid a couple of days ago at Kroger’s that he had a great penis.

“You like that?” He smiled.
“I do.”
“Good boy,” and he tapped my little dick through my mesh shorts.

At the gym sauna an older guy was complaining how sore and stiff he was. He was clearly somewhat dominant or at least very confident in how he behaved. I offered to give him a backrub right there. A hot sweaty back rub. Both of us naked. Other guys came in and talked with us while I rubbed him.

Finally he left and said that sometime we should do it again, and more. I gave him my phone number.

At home, the boys, my brother and dad exercise dominance when they’re in the mood.

I had no idea how much I would grow to love having a cock in me. I love the taste, but especially love getting fucked.

So… There’s an update,

Pete

IN-FUCKING-SANE!

I have no idea where Pete lives, but it seems like a city full of Alphas!

One thing about Pete’s situation that’s unique is the fact that he was raised by two God Alphas (his grandfather and his father), and those two have built a healthy Alpha pack that all fully embrace Alpha power and purpose. This web of Alpha influence has come to involve the football coach at school, and now Pete’s three sons.

And Pete is the faggot in the middle of that web that they’re training to embrace his purpose!

The Alpha getaways involving faggots aren’t terribly surprising. Straight Alphas do this often (much more than people realize), because those are the few times in our modern world when Alphas can be Men together, flex their power, and do what comes naturally without judgement.

But I was floored by the interaction with Danny’s football coach. First of all, it’s clear that Danny deeply respects his coach, and the coach recognizes Danny’s burgeoning power. There’s a mutual respect between them as Alphas that transcends age.

But then the coach asked Danny permission if he could use his faggot father … WHAT?!? I did not see that coming at all! The fact that Danny (who is like 13/14 years old) commands this level of respect is remarkable! Not only that, but also that the coach and Danny were talking about Pete’s fuckability like Pete was a farm animal up for auction is especially crazy!

Pete’s concluding experience about complimenting the young Alpha on his dick print shows just how much Pete has embraced his faghood. The lessons taught to him by his Alpha family are paying off!

I’m really proud of my brother Pete. A lot is being thrown at him by the powerful Alphas surrounding him, but he’s taking it in stride. I honestly think this volume of use and training would overwhelm most subs.

However, Pete’s training is occurring within a household that fully embraces hierarchical purpose as natural and something to be celebrated. That’s the difference. The many Alphas in Pete’s life view him as naturally inferior, but not disgusting. They recognize that he has a purpose too, albeit one very different from theirs.

And that’s okay.

To that last point, Pete added this final note:

Also, Sam,

I’ve been noticing hierarchy. I’ve noticed dominant sons with their dominant sons and their submissive sons.
I noticed boys becoming dominant and their fathers giving way to them.
I have noticed fathers and sons being equally dominant.

My guess is that none of them have sex together, and that most will never fuck other males.

With my family, it just seems natural. I slid into it easily.

 Pete

Exactly right!

Thank you, Pete, for this amazing and illuminating update!

Love,

sam the faggot

The following post is part of a thread chronicling the development of a married beta-sub named Pete who was raised hierarchically by his Alpha father and grandfather, and is submissive to this three sons. CLICK HERE to read all of these posts in chronological order!

The story of beta-sub/faggot Pete and his relationships with his God Alpha father and his three Alpha sons continues to get crazier and more complex with every update. There are so many intricate co-minglings (literally) within the family’s emotional architecture that I occasionally stop and ponder over how it got this way.

My answer typically comes down to this: Master Doug, Pete’s God Alpha father, enforced a joyful celebration of masculine hierarchy all of their lives, and this is the end result of it. Pete’s family loves Manhood and the power that imbues in them. It’s just a great thing that Pete’s three sons have all turned out to be Alpha and can benefit from the teachings of Master Doug while also practicing on their faggot father!

Pete wrote a bit more about the family after my last post and my commentary possibly rattled him. I didn’t mean to sound critical or concerned about the situation. It’s simply not something I’ve seen a lot of in my time with this site (God Alpha Dino’s family notwithstanding).

Here’s Pete’s update:

A few thoughts and updates.

Danny, the youngest just turned 14. The other two have birthdays in August.

Danny is still a little horn dog, but he is learning control, leadership, responsibility. The summer has been full of baseball and football camps.

All three are team leaders.

One of Danny’s coaches told me what a fine man Danny is. A real leader (let again a great player.)

The older two were always going to do great. Danny was looking to be a wild boy and a difficult teen – but he’s learned to know his place, how to channel his energy, how to treat others. He does it as an alpha male. The same coach said that it was so great allowing Danny to grow into his dominance. Coach is a friend of my dad’s.

Sex around the house is not all that often really. The two oldest boys are driving, middle boy only has his permit and will get his license in a couple of weeks. They spend time with their friends and various girlfriends. Good guys.

Danny spends more time naked than anyone. His friends come over and strip down, too. Playing in the pool, gaming. Their folks, especially their fathers are fine with it. Boys, guys, men will be naked.

Danny jacks off more than anything else sexual. 

I’m still Dad, and if anything the boys are more affectionate. It is an affection that a guy has with a friend lower on the pecking order. There hands are always on my shoulders, often with their hands on my head, often fingering my hair. I’m Dad that drives them around, doles out cash. But my oldest will tell me to wash his car, and I do. Often they will tell me strip down and stay naked, e.g. when I’m home from work, errands, shopping, gym. Dick and ass get pats. Hair gets ruffled. Very affectionate and very much comfortably exerting their dominance and the pecking order.

I don’t mind. I enjoy it. A lot.

Fag. Faggot. I guess I am, though I am not sure what it means in my circumstances. I’m definitely male and generally a guy. Easy going, but that does lead into submissiveness with other men, such as at the gym, etc.

My dad was telling me how he didn’t get the whole chastity thing, or guys being covered with jocks when being fucked. He said that a part of being a strong man is dominating and controlling and fucking other men – and he wants to see that it is a man that he is topping and bettering. He also said how he likes looking at the men he’s fucking having their dicks go soft and get smaller. He doesn’t allow his fuckboys to touch their dicks. He likes to see handsfree orgasms and ejaculations.

Also, my fuckbuddies, my friends, all comment how when fucking with other guys that they have no problem with e.d. or getting wiped out until they cum a few times. None have much sex with their wives. We all like the sweaty, physical, athletic man with man sex. We’ve also started making-out when we’re together. We didn’t use to, at all. Men kiss and make-out completely differently than we do with women. Rougher, more fun. (Never done it with my boys!  Ugh. Gross.) My dad wants to make-out when he is building up to pounding.

I love the details about how Pete’s sons treat him! It’s affection, certainly, but tinged with unmistakable dominance. The boys are lion cubs learning to kill, and using their father as the prey.

I’m really curious about Master Doug’s strong dislike of chastity or jockstraps for his faggots. I guess some Alphas love to see the difference between a Man (him) and a failed male. Humiliation is one of an Alpha’s favorite weapons, and I’m sure Master Doug wields it well!

Also, the idea of making out with my Dad turns my stomach!

Pete’s final paragraph is a ringing endorsement of Man-on-Man sex. It’s an interesting point. Men love to be with other Men, and they’re often invigorated by the experience of bonding. Sex between Men is definitely rougher and more adrenaline-fueled. I know I’ve only ever felt more alive after being fucked.

In all, I think Pete cleared up some of my misconceptions and helped me appreciate that the boys are growing up more naturally than I initially believed. It’ll be interesting to see if all or any of them claim faggots of their own as they grow!

They probably won’t find one as good as their Dad!

The following post is part of a thread chronicling the life of domination of an Asian God Alpha named Master Jase. CLICK HERE to read all posts in this thread in chronological order!

The site has been inundated with sometimes uncomfortable true stories of Alpha fathers fucking faggot sons and vice versa. Some of the stories are more harrowing and disturbing, and believe me, I get feedback on this stuff both good and bad. Nothing that passes my personal editorial scrutiny and gets published is ever going to be tossed aside unless I find out it’s fake, so criticism is simply useful to me as an outside perspective. Good or bad, this has always been my policy.

But when a God Alpha like Master Jase takes the time and thought to offer me guidance, I give it the highest priority. This is especially important to me given that Master talks about his new God Alpha boyfriend, a powerful King named Dylan.

Let’s just get into the long conversation we had on the subject:

Fag. I have some time tonight, so while my slut of the night moans and keeps my cock warm in its mouth, I wanted to share my thoughts on a topic that’s been raised a few times on your website.

By all accounts, there’s been extensive talk from you and many other men about the dynamic between alpha fathers and faggot sons. I want to bring about the reverse perspective, when there is a superior son and an inferior father. I bring this up because Dylan has and still conquers, cunts and breeds his dad fag on a regular basis.

I want you to picture this, fag. An early 50’s hunky gym rat who owns his own business and presents a domineering attitude. It was awe-striking to watch the first time as the dad fag trembled, snorted, begged, cried and called himself his son’s bitch as Dylan slammed ten inches of fat alpha meat repeatedly into this massively built male who probably outsized our combined weight. Dylan so enthusiastically fucked his muscle dad fag in front of me within an inch of his life, and the fag was in such a rapturous thrill. Dylan has since shared his dad fag with me, and he loves watching me completely cunt out his own father, watching me intoxicate his dad fag on my powerful strength and stamina and drive him from begging and pleading into that incoherent daze all you fags love and crave. Dylan told me he had never seen his father so spent and wasted and utterly well-used, even after he’s used him.

Just this weekend, we used our brute dominance and strength to manhandle and fuck his dad fag endlessly. We verbally and physically dominated him completely. The fag was completely delirious, breathless, and near blacked out from twenty plus inches of god cock breeding and cunting him out for hours. It was an absolute glorious moment Dylan and I shared as we stood over his limp, muscular mass of a used fag between us, our bodies still pumped and our cocks still heavy and hard. It was especially hot watching Dylan drag his wet massive cock all over his dad fag’s face lips and telling him, “You’ll always be a bitch for your son, won’t you?” and other similar lines.

I tell you these encounters because I think this is a dynamic that isn’t regularly talked about; what happens when the son eclipses his father in alphahood. Dylan has told me his story in part, about how through puberty as he fucked guys and girls alike, he noticed his dad increasingly giving into Dylan’s actions and thoughts. Small things from such as what dinner was to be had at night, his mum would ask Dylan more and more rather than his dad. How in the past, Dylan would ask permission to stay over at a friend’s, but it slowly became Dylan telling his parents that he would be out, and his dad only responding, “Be safe, son.” How his ‘alpha’ of a father began deferring to Dylan’s judgement more and more when it came to household day to day decisions, and in fact, began guiding Dylan on making this important decisions.

Dylan isn’t dumb. I wouldn’t have chosen him as my partner if he was. He’s highly intelligent and athletic, and he was very self-aware of his place as the leader as early as the beginning of high school, just as I was. We instinctively commanded and attracted the attention to our strong and powerful wills. And Dylan knew that he had done the same to his own father, slowly but surely took control over his family’s household, and his own father, perhaps not a fag then, but an alpha lower to Dylan’s place, instinctively knew to mentor his increasingly powerful son.

I myself have put many father figures and role models into submission and under my rule, ranging from coaches to gym partners and even proper married dads who claim to be straight, yet crave the control of my dominance over them in their actions, both sexually and non-sexually. But I don’t have that level of intimacy or bond that Dylan has with his own father.

And viewing as an outsider, I find the dynamic fascinating in how the older generation passes on the torch of alphahood, or nurtures and a son’s alphahood until it blooms. Dylan has always been grateful to his father for instilling his strong values of being responsible, courageous, disciplined and a leader. But once Dylan’s will and presence overpowered his father’s, it seemed so natural for his father to recognise his place and accept his own son as the more powerful alpha.

I will tell the tale of how Dylan came to use his own father sexually and turn him into a craving cum bucket dad fag later, but I want to know your thoughts on this kind of relationships. Just as alpha fathers and faggot sons are a hierarchal relationship that is instinctual and legitimate, what do you think of the dynamic of an alpha son and a faggot father, and what the roles of each are?

I responded thusly:

It’s an amazing testament to a truth embedded so deeply in hierarchy that it’s unspoken and unheard of except by people who truly understand hierarchy. Oddly enough, I’m currently covering a story on the site of a married faggot named Pete whose father cunted him in front of his three underage Alpha sons, and now the Alpha sons are using Pete as a cumdump.

Personally, I think the dynamic is just as natural as any other power dynamic despite its taboo nature. Hierarchy isn’t moral. It’s about natural-born Alphas taking control of whatever situation they’re in, including the family arrangement. Master Dylan learned from his submissive father that any male can be forced to accept his true purpose of service by simply overpowering them and enforcing that truth.

Master Dylan also learned that it felt “right” to sexually overpower his weak father. It’s part of the “old guard/new guard” aspect of hierarchy. At some point an old Alpha lion must step aside for a young Alpha challenger.

This seemed to resonate with Master Jase, who continued the story about Master Dylan’s father and the ultimate end for fathers hierarchically:

I am of the firm belief that hierarchy cares not for age, ethnicity, race, size, or profession. Hierarchy sees more from a male’s personality, values, health, traits, presence and relationships. And from there, I see no reason why an Alpha son shouldn’t dominate his own father, when the time is right. We often see that in brothers, where one brother is more dominant and superior to the other. Why can’t we have that between father and son?

Naturally, if the Alpha is of a young age, there is an obligation to protect and nuture, and not to take advantage or abuse when an Alpha is growing through the most vulnerable phase of his life. Dylan was quick to deny any hints of grooming by his dad, that he was the one to initiate and turn their bond into a sexual one. That he was the one to open the floodgates to his dad fag’s eager throat and ass trained and remaining wide and open for his stronger and far more powerful son to bitch-fuck and own.

Neither Dylan nor I have the large and massive built physique his dad has, though Dylan is basically a more smaller version of his ripped and muscular shape. The genes were not weak there. But it is such an awesome and deeply sating sight when I watch Dylan dominate his dad. “Bitch daddy needs it bad, don’t you?” he would say, as he slams his body on top of dad fag’s vast back, wrapping his huge bicep around the fag’s neck and choking his own dad, holding him in a death grip while the dad fag squeals and whines and gasps for more.

Even better when Dylan gives him to me and my unrivalled overwhelming physicality. Dylan always goes wide eyed and can’t take his eyes off when I have his massive dad fag bouncing off me like a rag doll, his pussy so cunted wide open from my giant cock beating him senseless. I love putting muscle sluts and fags in an iron grip subject to my strength, and this dad fag was no exception. And I get treated like another dominant son, come home to show him that his towering masculinity was no match for my unstoppable conquest of inferior men.

But I never got to have that chance of my teenage years. I had numerous sluts waiting on hand and cock; teammates, older students, even outside men who craved my cock up their asses and cunting them out. But that is the one experience I never had; a close figure, not even familial, whose natural obligations was to instinctively recognise and guide a growing alpha, and then flipping that intimacy. Dylan says his father was a sex stud as well, but it was clear Dylan outsized, out-dominated, and overpowered his dad in all aspects alpha and hierarchy.

I have seen these posts (about Pete). I have my own misgivings as the alpha sons are underage, and while sexual education is important, particularly so for alphas to be safe and responsible, it has to be done with patience and prudence. Had it been the sons to recognise their growing power and their father as a faggot, it would have been their choice and their control. Having it come from someone else to such young boys is where I have my apprehensions about whether alphahood and hierarchy is being respected and maintained. Alphahood is control, and with control comes responsibilities. Even more so with god alphas such as myself, my boyfriend, and the other god Alphas you have in contact. Our power and our kingdom of obedience and ownership also comes with trust, safety, and the protection of those who serve. Abuse our power only diminishes the value of one’s alphahood. Alpha son and faggot father are no different or exceptions to that core law, from my position.

Dylan values his father for more than just being a cumdump; he’s a family man, has a presence in life both physically and socially, has strong values and above all, tutored Dylan in how one is masculine and disciplined. His father’s role is so much more complex than just being a faggot and owned. It reminds me of my own bond with my ex-university roommate; he is both my slut and friend at the same time. And often I think that many men diminish and demean faggots to just that. Those men are not alphas in my books.

Which circles back to one of our previous talks about fake alphas and how they abuse and exploit faggots who have a genuine need and craving to serve. Faggots have lives. Faggots have dreams. They have their own values and personalities and traits; I know how to shape a faggot and their character to train and build them to be more than just a pair of holes for me. Because service and obedience is not just presenting an ass. It is the surrender of will and knowing that trust and respect will hold on both sides.

This is not a ramble, as I feel it goes back to the core question I had about Alpha sons and Faggot fathers. The trust and boundaries there would be so much more different in both intimacy and responsibilities, that shaping it into one of domination and submission is just such a fascinating idea to me. And I unfortunately feel it’s not a very discussed point due to the stigma attached to that kind of relationship. More often than not, a dominant daddy and submissive son is accepted, not so the opposite. Why is that? I love to question these thoughts and try and find an answer that aligns with my values.

Dylan using his father in service, particularly sexually, has only deepened my curiosity. Even more so as he has shared that privilege with me. I would ask the dad fag, but far too often when we meet, his mouth is too busy choking around my giant cock to have a deep discussion about things alpha and masculine, hah. Your mouth is currently free and not licking my cock or my feet, so I have no doubt you will have your own thoughts from a hierarchical perspective.

An old flame can only dim and surrender to a brighter and more powerful fire. Yet our society rarely acknowledges it. Holding onto the misconception that age is power, and not allowing younger brighter flames to shine and take control. Even in alphahood.

There’s an incredible amount of wisdom and poetry in Master Jase’s words! There is no doubt at all that what he wrote here is foundational hierarchical teaching that I will refer to again and again over time.

This except floored me in particular: “Our power and our kingdom of obedience and ownership also comes with trust, safety, and the protection of those who serve. Abuse of our power only diminishes the value of one’s alphahood.”

Oh, if only Destroyer Alphas were intelligent enough to understand the over-arching philosophy articulated by Master Jase there! Imagine a world in which more Alphas applied that single teaching across their lives! How much better would things be??

Like me, Master Jase understands that hierarchy is unsympathetic and dependent upon morality as a guiding force. It’s purely about power and the application of power. And even if Pete (for example) was Alpha, there would be a natural “changing of the guard” and he would be forced to relinquish some/all of his authority to younger, hungrier Alphas eager to knock the King off the hill. In fact, that’s why that schoolyard game even exists, because hierarchy starts teaching us the truth before we’re even aware!

There is so much wisdom here in Master Jase’s words that it’s impossible for me to summarize. The ultimate hierarchical truth is that older Men eventually fall, submitting to younger, more vital powers eventually. Older Alphas stave off that submission longer than inferior males, but it always happens.

Families are compressed versions of society. The males within a family must also fight for position, and the Alphas within the family will eventually be overtaken by younger generations of Alphas. It’s the way of everything.

In Pete’s family, his father has held onto power by emasculating his son (“fucking the man out”) while raising his grandsons has his eventual Alpha heirs. Can you see that?

Master Jase sees power in those terms, and so do I. We are both deep students and teachers of hierarchy, albeit from vastly different perspectives; he, viewing it from the highest perch far above all other things, while I see it from the level of dirt.

But the convergence of our perspectives only verifies that our testimonies are true.

Thank you, my glorious Master Jase!

The following post is part of a thread chronicling the development of a married beta-sub named Pete who was raised hierarchically by his Alpha father and grandfather, and is submissive to this three sons. CLICK HERE to read all of these posts in chronological order!

The recent series of posts from a married beta-sub named Pete have caused quite a bit of commotion on X and the Hierarchy University Discord. People are rightly shocked by the details of underage Alphas being taught by their Alpha grandfather to use their father Pete as their shared faggot. It definitely takes the hierarchical paradigm to its most extreme conclusion.

I’ve been called an extremist by some in how I apply hierarchical principles (maybe that’s why I keep getting cancelled across platforms!), but I generally take a pragmatic viewpoint when it comes to some of the more extreme cases I’ve encountered overthe years. Hell, if I sat around prudishly rejecting distasteful stories, we wouldn’t learn as much as we’ve been able to about hierarchical mechanics! And this site has always put a higher premium on education than porn (even though there’s plenty of that here as well).

Pete has a few things to chare in this latest update, including the now-infamous cunting he received by his father in front of his sons. Let’s get into it:

Looking back, my dad had been manipulating everything, but in a good and beneficial way for my boys and for me. He saw what I was and decided to bring it out and strengthen it.

They boys were often naked, and not shy about jacking off. My youngest son used to tell me to do it, too. Show them. I didn’t. Until my dad was over and Danny, the youngest, told me to jack myself off. I wasn’t going to, never planned to. Then my dad told me to. To show them. I could have refused or left the TV room but I didn’t.  My dad drew attention to how my chest was getting flushed, and my nipples getting hard. My balls pulling up. I clearly remember and have thought often of my dad says, “look at his little dick. Most men, me, you boys have fistful cocks. But with a little teeny dicky like that he can only two fingers. But don’t make fun of it or look down on it. Men, real men, are always attracted to little willies. Men with little willies are generally hornier than most men and they generally cum over and over again, especially through their bottoms.”

When I came in my hand Dad pointed out how much there was and that it was potent. It made the three of them.

Dad told me to rub my cum on my dick and rub it like a clit, open palmed and flat fingers. He had me rub it until I came again, and he showed them how my cum was less and not as thick. He spit on my hand and told me to rub it again until I came. This time he had me lift one leg up on the ottoman and pulling my cheeks apart he showed them how my hole was opening and closing. He told them that this was how cunts got ready to be fucked. He fingered around my hole. When I came again, I showed them as told, and as told ate it all up.

For the next little while my youngest became obsessed with my hole. He kept telling me show him. He began to finger it. My dad showed him how to rub across my hole, through my taint and over my balls and dick and then back.

He would always tell my sons that I had a perfect mancunt, super fuckable. The oldest two were interested but not as intense as Danny and not as interested in playing around with my hole. They like to watch. They liked to jack me off and play around with my dick.

Finally Dad said that it was time to go all the way. That the boys needed to learn how to use other guys to fuck and to save girls for “making love”, “when you’re serious.” Fucking is good for men, but they needed be smart.

He told the boys to strip and to come to the master bedroom. He had me douche out and then lie back across the bed with my butt on the edge and my legs down.

Dad had the two oldest boys stand on either side of me and to lift my legs up and back and out. Dad showed the boys how to open up a mancunt with fingers, lub and spit. Rubbing around and as it begins to open to slip a finger in then more.

“Men you’re going to own, men that are going to be your fuck bitches, like your dad, need to have the man fucked out of him. You’ve got to fuck the man out.”

It was a hard, brutal, domineering, man-breaking fuck.

All three boys fucked him in turn, according to age, oldest first. I was fed my cum and theirs that dad had me push out.

My youngest son fucks me a lot. He’s started ejaculating and his boy cock is growing and thickening.

My dad has taken over the master bedroom and stays over a few nights a week. He’s taken over. My mom has told me several times how glad she is that he gets to participate in raising to boys. She also has said that she’s happy that I am keeping him satisfied. I don’t know what she knows, suspects, or what Dad may have told her.

Dad has three fuck modes. Sometimes somewhat gentler but always dominating. Sometimes pounding to work stress out. Sometimes me on my back, legs back and spread, with insisted eye contact when he fucks the man out.

My brother and I have always been close. He’s more like my dad. More dominant and much better hung than I am and much like my dad’s. We hang out together like we always have. We’ve always been good friends, but now we will casually fuck. He fucks me. We might be watching a game and he’ll say, “want to?” And he fucks me. I know his son messes around with my boys some.

Last year, before Thanksgiving I was in the gym sauna with three buddies, friends for years. Our kids are all around the same age. So, we are sitting there chatting and one of the guys blurts out, “I got fucked. A guy fucked me.” All being straight guys we caught our breath until one guy said, “bullshit.” We sat there, looking at our feet, and one of the guys said, “are you gay?” “No. No. Nothing like that. It sort of just happened.”

He told us how he was getting a massage by the masseuse that we’ve all used. He said it was just like always. He’d worked his way up and down his body back then front and then told him to flip onto his stomach. He began to rub from his shoulders down to his calves then back up but the eventually began to really work his glutes. My friend said that it felt great and admitted that he began to moan in pleasure. Eventually he began to work up and down to crack and then focus on the hole and my friend said that it felt great and even better when he slid a finger in.  He said it was amazing. Then the masseuse pulled him back, ass up and chest pushed to the table and my friend felt the man’s tongue joining his fingers. “Then he fucked me. It just slid in. It was amazing, maybe the best sex I’ve ever had.”  We were stunned. But then I said that I’d been fucked to. Pretty much the same scenario (I lied) and I really liked it. A couple of days later we rented a motel room. We have been fucking around ever since. I’m the only guy that only bottoms. With these guys I learned to love to suck cock and really like it. All of us still consider our selves as not “gay”, but we really enjoy sex.

I don’t consider myself as “gay” or even “homosexual” though that is becoming more of a reality as the idea of sex with a woman no longer has any attraction.

With my family it is a hierarchy sort of thing. I don’t do any other service other than sex and regular dad stuff. Dad did hire two guys to clean the house once a week instead of the cleaning service that we’d always used. If I’m home when they are there I am naked and they will fuck and have me suck and clean their uncut cocks.

The boys all do chores.

Pete

Oh, the effect Pete’s God Alpha father Master Doug has wrought over the years with his strict and incisive application of hierarchy! This is God Alpha Dino-levels of power and generational influence!

It’s shocking how effectively Master Doug’s teachings have rippled and radiated out to change the lives of so many Alphas and faggots! Never underestimate the power of Alpha influence and Alpha cock! I think it should be the goal of every upper-level Alpha to affect change in this manner! In some respects, this is part of the legacy every Man yearns to leave behind!

I’ll skip some of the more controversial aspects of Pete’s story, and instead focus on how Pete and his straight friends who fuck or get fucked don’t feel changed sexually. Even Pete, who admits that he’s no longer attracted to females after being cunted countless times by Alphas, claims to be straight! He’s resisting the label of “faggot” when embracing that purpose might help to free him from whatever is holding him back.

I think it would be good for his Alpha sons to know he’s embraced his faghood. This admission would bring hierarchy into sharper relief for his sons as they grow in power and start to own fags themselves.

But that’s just my opinion. Hopefully Pete will be able to bridge the gap between reality and denial and become whole, but even if he doesn’t, what he IS doing is brave. This entire thing was forced upon him by Master Doug. I’m sure that’s a heavy, confusing weight to bear!

The following post is part of a thread chronicling the development of a married beta-sub named Pete who was raised hierarchically by his Alpha father and grandfather, and is submissive to this three sons. CLICK HERE to read all of these posts in chronological order!

On July 11th I received a curious blurb in my Questions From Readers inbox from someone who claimed his father cunted him in front of his three sons, and that his father told the sons that a Man has to “Fuck the man out of a fag bitch, good and hard.”

When I asked for more information, the still unknown reader replied to my request with a much more detailed story about his upbringing and the philosophy behind it. At that point I put a warning on it, because it seemed too incredible to believe (even though it mirrored Master Dino’s handling of his sons, and I know that’s true).

However, Pete returned to give me even more information about his unusual family arrangement. Here’s what he had to say:

OK. I’ve been thinking about this all through the week. First, I’ll basically talk about how were raised.

Names (not real):

Doug – my Dad, and Mom

Pete – me, and wife

Pat – brother 2 years younger, his wife, his son and two daughters

Dave, my oldest son, now 17

Don, middle son, now 15

Danny, youngest son, now 13

Grandpa and Grandma – Dad’s folks

Great Grandpa and Great Grandma – Dad’s grandparents.

My brother and I grew up in a masculine home, under a masculine Top Dog Dad, Doug. He was not bossy, domineering nor bullying. He was a man who acted like a man and raised we boys to be men.

I have no memories of anything sexual, other than hearing my parents going at it at times, and when Dad told us to jack off in socks, cum rags or our hands. He encouraged us to eat it, tell us it was good for us. For the most part I have since.

My younger brother and Dad are both better hung than I am. My dad and my brother always told me that it didn’t matter. Individually both told me that they liked the look. My dad told me that he hoped one of his boys would take after Mom’s dad, in that little dicks looked good and little dicked guys always are like by dominant men that are leaders. My dick is little like my maternal grandpa’s and Mom’s brothers.

At our house men and boys always swim naked. Women and girls always wore suits. Dad has always said that men and boys need to be comfortable with and proud of their bodies. Female bodies are sexual, he and Mom would say, the male is just a body. My dad and his brother were raised the same. At their pool men and boys swam and suntanned naked, women and girls wore suits. Grandpa said that he didn’t own a suit until after college. In his day the Y, gyms, HS pool and College pool weren’t co-ed and men swam naked. Greatgrandpa says that he got his first suit in his mid-30s. 

Around my house male casual nudity was pretty common. That was how my dad was raised, the same with his dad. It was the idea of not-wearing-clothes and not something sexual.

Swimming parties at our house growing up was, and is, Men and boys swimming and playing and sunning naked, and females clothed. We swam naked and were comfortable naked in front of aunts, girl cousins, family friends, girlfriends (mine and brothers and cousins).

When at the mountain house clothes for boys were always optional. We swim, hike, play in the woods and pond and not uncommon for the males, to be naked. My brother and I and boy cousins could go days without putting anything on other sneakers.

My mom and grandmother were big supporters of this. They agreed with my Dad, Uncles, grandpa that it built men. Men and boys should be comfortable with their bodies. My girlfriends and the one that became my wife and mother of my boys accepted it. 

Through college, our guy friends enthusiastically joined in and were embarrassed in front of mom, other women, girls and girlfriends briefly if at all.

Most of the guys I know, and the Dad’s of my kids’ friends have no problem at all. The kids jump right in, the men might take a moment.

As my Dad always says, “men like being naked.”

Later, after Dad took over my family, my brother Brad told me that Dad had always fucked other men, many who were straight but that Dad’s dominance and sexual energy would get them to give themselves up. Brad told me that Dad started telling him about other boys and men would give in to him. He told him what to look for. Brad had been fucking buddies and teammates since middle school and through HS and College. Dad never told me about this.

Looking back I see that Dad encouraged my sons to jack off. First my oldest and for him to show his brothers. He told them never to be embarrassed or ashamed of it — but to spare their mother (my wife) to use tube socks and cum rags or hands to catch the cum so their mom didn’t have to clean up after them. Same thing Dad taught my brother and me.

Dad talked about what he was doing with Brad, encouraging him to raise his son to be a man, too.

Brad said that Dad recognized that my three boys were all leaders and competent smart boys and needed to be shaped to be men.

Dad recognized that my oldest son was a golden boy, a leader, top dog, and fairly sexual and that sex for him would often be about dominance and establishing pecking order.

Dad recognized that my middle boy needed shaping from being a smart normal boy to being a little more assertive and a leader. The oldest boy was one naturally. The middle boy needs more encouragement and direction.

Dad recognized that my youngest son, even at nine, was a sexual dominant, and had an innate desired and drive to control. Dad fed and directed him sexually from 9 on. My oldest boy is a leader and a guy that others want to follow. My youngest son has been channeled to be kind, generous, to understand the pecking order and how to guide others into their position, beneath him.

My brother said that Dad always recognized that I had natural potential in submitting to and supporting men higher up. In training my younger son, Dad decided that he would help me discover my place, too.

I asked my brother if he had always thought of me as gay. “No. Never. Are you?”

“No,” answered. I don’t really though certainly rewired to want to submit to men. I asked my brother if Dad thought of me as gay. “No. He sees you as what you are, a sexually submissive man for other men. A cunt. A receptacle.”

I don’t see myself as a gay. No one else seems to either. My friends and family are straight or at least heterosexually inclined. But in certain situations I am demoted from full man status. 

Danny, Dan, my youngest son is learning how to walk the narrow path balancing respecting my as his Dad, and in training and owning me. He asserts authority in just how he carries himself and speaks. Not mean, or bossy, but with steady dominance and leadership. He ignores my penis and balls other than occasional taps and pats and calling them cute.

His focus is on my cunt. Fingering and fucking. He has begun to produce cum.

Learning to rim was easy. Blowjobs took a while to get used to. My middle son likes me to slowly suck and lick him while he studies, reads, watches TV. My oldest son wants quick blowjobs or fucks.

There is some more background. What more would you like to know?

Pete

Pete’s situation is pretty insane, but since he’s grown up like this it seems normal to him. I’m pretty blown away by the depth of respect for hierarchy throughout the entire family. This kind of thing can only happen because of very powerful Alphas enforcing natural order in a ruthless manner.

I was thinking back to my childhood days, and how I was raised (which was a pretty standard suburban Midwestern upbringing) compared to this. I wonder how I would’ve reacted to the enforced nudity for males and such. I was almost nude for most of my childhood, but puberty made me so self-conscious about my changing body (and how much I didn’t like it and my unchanged, tiny penis) that I think I would’ve withdrawn completely. But who knows?

Pete seemed to accept the humiliation of having a tiny penis, but part of that credit goes to his father for the way he almost celebrated it as part of the separation of Men and fags. He treated it as something natural. He also treated as natural the purpose of faggots as servants and sexual devices for Men. I use the word “Men” to encompass all non-fags here, because Pete’s father treated Pete’s underaged sons like Men simply because they weren’t fags.

It’s such a tangled tree of hierarchical development that it’s impossible to determine how the rules applied. After all, Pete is still married to a woman, but he’s servicing all of the Men and Alphas in the family, including his own sons. How does that work? These are serious questions that deserve serious answers.

The idea that Pete’s youngest son (age 13) is fucking Pete is hard to imagine. And here’s the topper: the 13-year-old sounds like a God Alpha in the making!

Like God Alpha Dino’s remarkably hierarchical family, Pete’s family takes natural hierarchical law and applies it so thoroughly that there is no way to know anything different. I’m not complaining about this, of course, but I just know that doing it in our puritanical world today can be trouble.

And, of course, I want everyone to be safe and grow up well-adjusted.

Hopefully Pete will continue to share more details as time goes on!